It is better to read this statement after 1st reading the transcripts of his 3 interviews. I will be making comments about this later.
NORFOLK POLICE HEADQUARTERS
NAME: GARY WILLIAM SEWELL
AGE / DATE OF BIRTH: 23 11011968
Who states: etc
DATED: 03031991
I am Gary William Sewell and am 23 yrs of age having been born in King’s Lynn on 11th January 1968. I reside at 29 Browning Place, Seabank Estate, North Lynn; King’s Lynn which is a 2 bed roomed flat. I have lived at this address for the last 3 ½ years and I reside there with my wife Deborah SEWELL, nee WILLIAMS who I married on 1st August 1987. We do not have any children. I am employed as an Environmental Service Technician working from my home address for Houseman Ltd. Which is based in Cambridge House, Cambridge Road, Bedford. I have worked for this company for the last three months.
I have known a man by the name of Tony GORMAN who lives below me in a flat with his wife Kim for the last 3 ½ years since I moved to my present address. However it was only over the last year that Tony and myself got to know each other well and started to socialize together. Once or twice each month on a Friday or a Saturday night, Tony and myself would visit Public Houses in King’s Lynn town centre and more often than not, The Wildfowler Public House King’ Lynn. We would usually visit the following town centre pubs: The Mayden’s Head the Cellar Bar and the New Inn on Wootton Road. We would not usually visit the two nightclubs in town that I know as L.A.’s and Manhattans. We would quite often buy a Kebab from either of the 2 Kebab take away shops in Norfolk Street as we walked home. Tony did not like visiting pubs which were crowded. Tony tended to get a bit loud when he had a few drinks and in the past I have been present when he has been drunk and made silly comments to other men in bars, which has resulted in him been threatened and I have had to intervene to stop a fight ensuing. Tony was aggressive in his attitude when he was drunk which was totally out of character but I never saw him physically assault anyone.
He would openly talk to women in the pubs but never chatted them up. As far as I was knew he was not having any form of affair with women and appeared to have a happy marriage. Tony I don’t believe used a wallet to carry his money in and kept his money in his pocket, including the notes when we went out for an evening, he would usually have £20 with him. I never knew him to carry a cheque book or credit cards with him.
On Friday 1st March 1991 about 5.00 pm Tony came up to my flat and I asked him whether he wanted to go out that evening. He agreed and later we arranged to meet about 7.30pm and I told him I would arrange a taxi. I contacted 766166, I don’t know the name of the taxi firm and at 7.25pm the taxi arrived. I went downstairs to tell Tony who wasn’t quite ready but about 8.25pm we got into the taxi. I don’t know what sort of car it was but I believe it was burgundy in colour and the taxi driver was a male about 45-50 yrs of age. I was wearing a pair of blue jeans, a red rugby shirt with grey sleeves and white collar. I was wearing grey patterned socks and a pair of dark brown “kicker boots”. The shirt had a red circle with “Perry Dixon” on the left breast and on one of the arms. Tony was wearing a pair of blue jeans, a dark brown pair of “Hush Puppies” shoes and a rugby shirt with blue, red and white quarters and white collar and red rose on the left breast. We were driven to The Wildfowler Public House, Gayton Rd but on the way, we drove to Tower Street, to the T.S.B. speed bank where I withdrew £30 from my speed bank card. We arrived at the Wildfowler about 7.45 pm and I paid the taxi fair. Tony and I walked into the bar, were we met Robert White who he bought me and tony a pint of lager shandy. Robert and I had earlier been contacted by Tony to see if he wanted to come out that evening.
Generally, Robert would come out with Tony and myself and he was a workmate from a previous employment. Robert was a wearing a thick Arran woollen jumper. Cream in colour and I believe dark coloured trousers possibly lightly checked. He was wearing tan coloured “kicker boots”. Tony mentioned to us in the Wildfowler he had chips and 2 pies and had a bath afterwards which made him feel a bit rough. I told him to liven up as he seemed a bit staid. Tony had a couple of further shandys and I had a pint or 2 of lager and Robert had a pint of lager and a whisky while we were in the pub. I only remember seeing 1 person in the pub who I only know as Roy he used to work at Lynn Tool with me. He is a Geordie in his late 40s with a moustache, of stocky build with a beer belly, about 5’8” tall with thin whispy greasy greying hair. He was wearing scruffy casual clothes. I have an idea he lives somewhere on the Fairstead Estate. I spoke to Row, I believe Robert may have done, but Tony didn’t. I don’t think Tony spoke to anyone apart from Robert and myself whilst we were in the pub. I believe it was Robert who ordered a taxi about 9.30pm and shortly afterwards it arrived. The taxi arrived shortly afterwards, I can’t remember anything about the taxi, but the driver was in his 40’s, large build, about 5’ 10” tall. When the taxi arrived in the pub, Tony asked him if he had come for us. The driver said no and that he had come to pick up some regulars. He returned to his car and returned shortly afterwards stating it was us he had to pick up. When we arrived at the New Inn, I got out of the front passenger seat and all three of us walked to the Sports Bar. We stood at the bar and ordered a pint for each of us, I can’t remember who paid. I then became aware that the taxi driver was standing there and started accusing us of not having paid the fare. I do not know whether the fare had in fact been paid, as I had already paid one taxi earlier on. The taxi told the women barmaid not to serve us until we left and shortly afterwards, he left without mentioning it any further. None of us three spoke to anyone else in the New Inn and only stayed for one pint.
We then decided to leave to go the Cellar Bar in the Town Centre, and we left the pub and in the pub car park we saw a couple of boys getting into a sliver coloured Maestro car. The car reversed from its position and all three of us spoke to the occupants and asked them if they were going into town centre and if they would give us a lift. They said they would and told us to get in. The car was G registered. I will describe the driver as follows: - about 20-22 yrs of age, of medium build, I can’t recall anything else about him. The other man I cannot describe at all but was about the same age. We drove down the northern bypass through Wootton gap lights and from conversing with them, I gained the impression they were not originally from Kings Lynn area but were working in this area bit I do not know what type of work. I asked them if they would drive to my house as I suffered from asthma and my chest was getting tight and I felt I needed to use my inhaler which was at home. We drove to the Seabank Estate via Loke Road and I picked up my inhaler. The two youths then drove us into the town centre and stopped outside the Maydens Head on the Tuesday Market Place, where we got out. The two youths said that they were going to pick a friend up and go to a party.
I think it was now about 10.30pm. We walked into the Maydens Head but didn’t even walk to the bar as it was so crowded. We left immediately and walked across the Tuesday Market Place car park towards the Cellar Bar. I believe Tony may have acknowledged someone in the Maydens Head but I did not see who. We walked down the front steps of the cellar Bar and I think there was a man in the doorway wearing glasses. He was of heavy build and I thought to myself that he looked similar to Mickey Teal who I knew works as a doorman at the Cellar Bar but it wasn’t him. I believe I paid £ 1 admission fee to this man and we walked to the area of the bar just inside the club. Tony bought a round of drinks and I may have had a shandy. We walked around the club together. I remember speaking to a man by the name of ‘chips’ whose real name is Andrew and whose dad’s name is Barry. He lives with his parents near to me and is road worker by trade. He is about 20 yrs of age, thick set, about 6’2” tall, with short dark coloured hair. I believe he was wearing an England tracksuit strip top and jeans. I spoke to him about damaging my hands, an incident which I will now describe. I believe Tony have also spoken to ‘Chips’. I had only been in the Cellar Bar for about half an hour to an hour and the club was becoming packed with people. Tony, I knew had gone upstairs to the toilet and I decided to go upstairs to see if he was alright as he had been gone for while. At the top of the stairs I saw Tony talking to a youth who I will describe as follows: - About 20 yrs of age, about 5’10” tall, of medium, build and was wearing light coloured clothing. I said to Tony “come on Tony lets go downstairs” and he said “look fuck off Gary, I’m talking to someone about my brother”. Tony appeared annoyed I had interrupted him. I gathered Tony was referring to his younger brother who had dies from as asthma attack a couple of years earlier. At this point I saw another man had arrived at the top of the stairs and he then pushed me against a wall and said “yes fucking leave it” This man I would describe as between 20-25yrs of age, well built about 6” tall, with blonde hair which has long over his ears and had a parting in the middle. I did not notice that he was wearing. I said words to the effect that I wasn’t causing any trouble. This annoyed me and Tony’s attitude towards me and I walked to the bottom of the stairs and in frustration as I have done before in these situations, I punched a wall which was covered in plaster. As a result of this I badly bruised both my hands, causing swelling. About 5-10 minutes later I went and spoke to a man who I know as Mickey Teal who works as a doorman at the premises and who I have known for the last few months since I have used the Cellar Bar. He was standing had a go at me up the stairs near the toilets and that I had hit him. I showed him my hands and Mickey jokingly got hold of one of my hands and squeezed it. Mickey probably knows me by my nickname of ‘squirrel’. I told Mickey the description of the man who pushed me but told him this was the man I had hit which was not the truth and I just wanted to impress Mickey. Mickey said that he may know this man but said if I saw him to point him out and he would sort him out. Mickey Teal was wearing a light coloured shirt but I cannot recall what else he was wearing. I cannot recall anybody else that I knew in the cellar bar at this stage and I did not see Tony talk to anybody who by this time had returned to me. He told me that the youth he was talking to upstairs had known his brother but did not elaborate on this. About half an hour later, I was standing by a table in the area between the disco console and the stairs leading up to the toilets. I believe Tony was standing next to me together with Robert White. There may been another couple of people in the immediate at that time but I cannot give any description. A man walked over to me from the direction of the disco console and stood right up close to me add said words to the effect of “what are you staring at”. I said “nothing mate, I don’t want any hassle, leave me alone”. The man was firmly aggressive in his attitude but never touched me. I would describe him as being about 25 yrs of age, about 6’2” tall, of medium build. He had flat straight blonde/ mousey coloured hair which was thinning, which was short but not shaved. He was wearing casual clothes but I cannot give any description. He was by himself. This man then walked towards the front of the club and returned with Mickey Teal, he said that’s only Gary he’s alright. Both Tony and Robert would have seen this incident. About 12.30am, Robert, Tony and myself were in the same position when I stood up from sitting in the chair and I felt something hit my shoulder and fall onto the floor. I then realised that a television had fallen of its bracket above my head and fell onto the floor. Mickey Teal came running over to me and I told him that he hadn’t touched it. He jokingly told me not to throw televisions about and told me not to worry about it. He walked away and someone came and cleared up the mess. I believe the man I have referred to as Chips may have been in the area at this time. Within the next half an hour, the disc jockey announced over the disco system that it was time to leave. The lights in the bar came on and Tony was beside me at this stage together with Robert White. Robert walked to the front door in front of me and I noticed there was a lot of people leaving at the same time. Robert and I walked out of the front doors and up the steps and stayed around the top of the steps talking to Robert and waiting for Tony to come out. We waited a couple of minutes and people were still walking out and as Tony hadn’t come out I went down the steps. I then saw Tony halfway down the stairs talking to a person I know as Carl Sxxxxxxn who I have known for many years. They appeared to be arguing in raised voices but I could not hear what was being said.
I saw a person at the bottom of the stairs who I recognised as Jay Hamman who used to work as a doorman at the Lattice House Public House. Jay was just standing there and I heard Carl Sxxxxxxn say to Tony “I’ll get fucking Mickey and he’ll sort you out”. I took it Sxxxxxxn was referring to Mickey TEAL. Carl started to walk down the steps and walked into the Cellar Bar and I followed him as I wanted to speak to both Sxxxxxxn and Mickey TEAL to stop any trouble that might erupt. I went into the cellar Bar and Carl was describing Tony to Mickey TEAL, referring to Tony as” That little London shit”. I said to Mickey “Let’s fucking leave it” although I did not know what the cause was. Mickey was standing by a pillar near the front door and he rushed out and started to walk up the steps. I got myself in front of Mickey and tried to stop Mickey approaching the top of the steps by standing in front of him and trying to reason with him. I believe Carl Sxxxxxxn was behind us at the bottom of the steps nearer to the club. Mickey TEAL then grabbed hold of me around the throat, I believe using his left hand, squeezed tightly causing me difficulty in breathing. He then head butted me a number of times, I cannot recall exactly how many times, on my forehead. He appeared to have gone berserk and was smiling aggressively and there was nothing I could do to free myself. I understood him to be referring to me trying to calm him down and from approaching Tony. Wayne and Jay HAMMAN were certainly in the area of the steps at this time and they tried to restrain Mickey from hitting me. The man I paid the admission fee to at the entrance to the Cellar Bar was also there and he was also trying to restrain Mickey TEAL. I finally managed to free myself from Mickey TEAL’s grasp and as I was facing the river Ouse. I turned round and quickly started walking up Page Stair Lane. I was there were a number of people around the steps at this time but as my main aim was to get away; I didn’t take any notice of who was there. I could not see Tony or Robert WHITE and in fact I never saw Robert again that evening. I walked towards the Tudor Rose along the footpath that adjoins Radio Norfolk offices and Tuesday Market Place. I believe Tony came from behind me and told me my eye was cut. I was aware there was blood around my face. I cannot recall seeing anybody else on the Tuesday market Place at this time. We walked together towards the Tudor Rose and as we got to the junction with Ward Gethin Solicitors, still on the same side of the road on the pavement, three men walked over to us from the direction of the Tuesday Market Place, from behind my right shoulder. I remember there were a number of cars on the Tuesday Market Place opposite the Radio Norfolk offices and this is why I would not have been able to see them previously. They approached us and one of them said” You’ve had a fucking good kicking” and then looking at Tony he said “Now it’s your turn”. Tony said something back but I didn’t hear what was said. I remember from our position I could still see the entrance to the High Street. The man who spoke I will describe as follows: between 20-25 yrs of age, about 5 "10" tall of medium build, of short dark coloured hair which was tidy and short at the sides. This man had an angular and long face. He did not wear spectacles. He was wearing jeans and a dark coloured top of some form, but was not wearing a jacket. He had something white in his hands and I gained the impression it was some form of take-away package, similar in size to something like a small kebab. His voice did not appear to be right; this may be because he had a sarcastic attitude towards us. The other two men I cannot give any description, other than they were dressed casually, the same age group as the first described man and one was shorter in height, about 5"7" tall. One of this group was wearing tan coloured kicker boots but I cannot recall which one. As soon as Tony said what he said to the man, which I did not hear, he ran along the middle of the road towards the Tudor Rose. The three men immediately ran after Tony and caught up with him outside the Tudor Rose in the middle of the road. Tony turned round and three men immediately began kicking and punching him. I saw Tony wave his arms about towards them as if to protect himself and I believe he may have made contact with at least one of them. I walked slowly to-wards the car park that adjoins the Lattice House Pub as I didn’t want to get involved in a further fight. I saw Tony manage to free himself and by this time he was able to remain on his feet. He ran into the gravel car park and ran towards the Lattice House and I walked back towards the Tudor Rose. I saw that one of this group had tan kicker boots on during the initial fight outside the Tudor Rose. I then saw that the group had reached Tony the other side, of the gravel car park by the Lattice House and were kicking and punching him. All three men were doing this and by now Tony was lying on the gravel of the car park with the three men continuing to assault him. I walked down towards the Naval Reserve, past Trimoco garage, into John Kennedy Road and cut through into Loke Road, past the entrance to the Retreat Public House and using a side road, into Loke Rd. As I walked into Loke Road, I saw a girl walking in the direction of Columbia Way. I asked her about my injuries and whether I needed hospital treatment. She said I could use her phone but didn't say where she lived. She was about 20 yrs of age and I think she had shoulder length straight hair. I cannot recall any other description of her. A taxi then stopped in Loke Rd and the girl got in and the girl asked the taxi driver if he could take me to the hospital. There was already another youth in the taxi in the rear seat who told me his name was Eamon PAYNE. He told me he had found someone lying on the ground in the town centre and he had put him in the recovery position and that he was injured. Eamon told me he had phoned for an ambulance for the man. The taxi driver then drove me to the Queen Elizabeth Hospital where I was treated for my injuries. As a result of the assault on me by Teal, I have received a cut above my right eye below the right eyebrow which required external stitches. I also received a graze above my left eyebrow on my forehead and minor bruising to my throat. I agree with the decision made by the Police regarding prosecution. I would estimate that Tony spent between £13-16 during the evening out with me.
G W SEWELL SIGNED
DATE: 030391
OFFICERS SIGNATURE DET CON 557 FROST
Saturday 15 March 2008
Thursday 13 March 2008
King's Lynn Police and Crown Prosecution Service
On the 2nd March 1991 the people of King’s Lynn, but more importantly the Gorman family were very deeply let down by Norfolk Constabulary. However you look at it the Police simply failed in their duty to carry out a thorough investigation concerning the Murder of Anthony Gorman. As time passed the Crown described this as “a most complex case”, well I’m sorry but I don’t buy into that. This was a malicious prosecution by both the Police and the C.P.S. I will continue to post news paper articles that show how they describe 190 witness statements being taken inferring that it was difficult to decipher evidence. That’s a load of shite, excuse my language, as I have stated earlier there was in fact only 9 people who witnessed anything to do with Tony Gorman’s Murder. The only complexities surrounding this case were brought on by the Police and C.P.S. themselves.
To be continued...
To be continued...
RE: Gary Sewell
Gary Sewell was arrested on suspicion of causing G.B.H. on the night of Gorman’s death. He was interviewed under caution 3 times. Reading his interviews it would be easy to forget he was actually a friend of the deceased. Whilst under caution, he comes across to me at least, as very evasive. If anyone was going to be able to assist the police in finding the attackers it should have been him. I always believed having received transcripts of his interviews whilst in prison that Gary Sewell had some involvement in the Murder of Gorman. So much so that when I was in prison I requested an interview with the Police to discuss with them what he had said. Unfortunately like most things at that time it fell on deaf ears. Read his 3 interviews again, does he come across as someone who is trying to help further the inquiries? My impression is that he is more concerned trying not to say anything which might implicate him in some way. Even the detectives interviewing him comment that everything he is saying is “average”. There was nothing definitive in his descriptions. I will be posting the statement he eventually made shortly; it should be read in conjunction with his taped interviews. Bear in mind he had been released from custody and was no longer a suspect. Suddenly everything becomes clear. Gary Sewell you were a poor friend to have that night, you definitely let Tony Gorman and all his family down.
Wednesday 12 March 2008
Gary Sewell 3rd and final interview
NORFOLK POLICE HEADQUARTERS STATION
NAME: GARY WILLIAM SEWELL
ADDRESS:
AGE / DATE OF BIRTH: 23 11011968
OCCUPATION: ENVIROMENTAL SERVICE TECHNICIAN
Who states: - This statement consisting of pages, each signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that if it is tendered in evidence I shall be liable to prosecution if I have wilfully stated in it anything which I know to be false or do not believe to be true.
DATED:
(SIGNED)
PERSON INTERVIEWED: GARY WILLIAM SEWELL
PLACE OF INTERVIEW: KING’S LYNN POLICE STATION
DATE OF INTERVIEW: 3RD MARCH 1991
TIME COMMENCED: 08.49
TIME CONCLUDED: 09.05
INTERVIEWING OFFICER: D.S. NEWTON
OTHER PERSON(S) PRESENT: D.C FROST
Q:
You don't not have to say anything unless you wish to do so but what you say may be given in evidence. Do you understand that?
R:
Yes
Q:
Are you happy being interviewed without your solicitor being present at this stage?
R.
Yes, anything to help out.
Q:
O.K., now I'll tell you, I did speak to your solicitor this morning and he said if you are happy to be interviewed he is, but if you want him here he is more than willing to turn up. You are happy to be interviewed without him being here?
R:
Yep.
Q:
Yes?
R:
Yes.
Q:
And there just the three of us in this room?
R:
Yes, that is correct.
Q:
O.k., right, I just want to clarify a couple of points, have you remembered anything more from our last interview?
R:
Yer, there's I think there's a...might been a few more people up on top of the stairs and I think there’s a bloke with Carl on the stairs or in the
Cellar Bar, and it’s possible that one of the people who were sort of kicking Tony....had, brown, er kick brown sort of kick boots on.
Q.
So brown kicker boots, they're sort of soft leather boots aren't they?
R:
Yer, I think....
Q: You're talking about a specific make of boot?
R:
Well I... I always call em kicker boots... that’s just what I think they’re called.
Q:
Describe the best you can what you think a kicker boot is.
R: Like a mountain boot, but like in a casual way, you know what I mean.... like a climbing boot.
Q;
Are they lace up boots or...?
R
Yer, lace up.
Q:
And what colour are we talking about?
R:
Sort of light brown I think.
Q: Tan?
R: Tan, yer.
2.28
Q:
How far up the leg do they go?
R:
About three....three, up to here, about top of the ankle.
Q;
Top of the ankle bone, yer.
R:
Yer.
Q:
And you feel that one of them was wearing, one of the attackers were wearing a pair of kicker boots?
R:
Yer, I feel that…
Q:
Do you remember err which one, was it the one doing the talking?
R:
Err, I don't know, all I can sort of see a sort of picture of him kicking, I picture a pair of then boots.
Q:
At what stage do you remember that they were kicker boots, I mean was it when you first saw these attackers or was it later on or what?
3.05
R:
No, when….when another person was brought into the cell, I sort of looked at him from the cell window and I see them boots that was sort of....
Q:
You're not saying they're those particular boots..,,
R:
No, I not saying...
Q:
They, were very...ident...virtually identical to those that you had seen?
R:
Yer, jogged my memory, know what I mean?
Q:
You're not saying that those particular boots though that you saw through your cell window?
3.27
R:
No I'm not saying they are the particular boots. But you know when you see something that jog the memory a bit like.
Q:
That's right, that's very true.
R:
Yer.
Q:
And you're thinking about the... you said you at one stage, I think it was in first interview, you feel that these lads that attacked Tony were wearing jeans?
R:
Yer.
Q:
Were they sort of tight fitting jeans, baggy jeans, bell bottoms, whatever the women call the them?
3.54
R:
I think they were just probably just casual fit.
Q:
Cause I mean a lot of lads around town, especially those into the House Music have baggy, really baggy jeans on, was it anything like that?
R:
No, definitely not House music type of people.
Q:
Just a normal fit jean you feel?
R:
Yeah, sort of casual wear.
Q:
Were they frayed at the ends or...?
R:
No, (mumbles)
Q:
Sorry?
4.18
R: No.
Q:
No they weren't or no you can't remember?
R:
Can't remember. No.
Q:
Did you notice did you notice a belt at all?
R:
No.
Q:
Were any of them wearing a jacket?
R:
(Sighs), I can't honestly remember if they was wearing a jacket, they just looked sort of casual if you know what I mean, I can remember if they were wearing a jacket or if it was a shirt or a slip on shirt, or jumper, they just looked causal.
Q:
Yeah. You see you're talking about these kicker boots, did they look new or.......
R: Just worn you know, just sort of they'd been worn a few times.
5.01
Q:
You didn't notice any earrings or anything like that?
R:
No, no, (mumbles).
Q:
Even the tops... I mean you're looking at three people wearing tops, do you remember if they were light tops, dark tops, patterned tops?
R:
I think one of them was a fairly darkish top, cos, when I see em, sort of, when Tony run, they run, and he stopped, and they was just kick him, and he was trying to put his foot up in defence and I think one of them was a dark top, but that's.....
Q:
So if one had a dark top, did the other two have light tops?
5.44
R:
I don't know honestly.... I don't know, it could have been a jumper like mine in the dark you wouldn't know what colour it was would you, you see.
Q:
No.
R:
And I say to you when, what I remember when, when I met sort of Tony, up the town, and then three, blokes came up to us, they sort of, one of them exchanged words with Tony and Tony exchanged words back to em and said, said no or something, and I just said leave em alone and Tony run, so it was if Tony knew they wanted to get him.
Q:
What, were anything already been said beforehand?
R:
Yeah, as if, as if, he'd, he'd, he'd, he had said something to them before as if, it was if Tony knew that they was to get him, cos he started to run, and then they run after him.
6.40
Q:
You formed the impression then that Tony knew them, or certainly knew one of them or more than one?
R:
Yeah, I would...... yeah probably.
Q:
What made you form that impression?
R:
Because, while, while I was thinking, it seems to me that when (mumbles) when they come up to us and said to me something about you had a good kicking, now it’s your tur turn, to Tony, and then Tony said something to them, I think he said 'no', I can't remember what he said, I think he said no though, and laughed, and they run after him, know what I mean? Now to me it seems as if that, that Tony either had done something to them and knew that there was three of them and they was going to get him, for him to run off, if you can understand what I mean?
Q:
Yeah, I see what you say. When they came over, o.k. you say, you said before you at the Employed Exchange, whatever they call it....
R:
Yeah, (mumbles).
Q:
How did you face them, did you face towards the Lattice House, did you face towards Cellar Bar, did you face towards St. Nicholas Chapel, how did you look at them?
7.53
R:
No I was on that corner, I was walking and they come over and I think I was just facing.... I... the Employment Centre was to the left of me, and I was probably facing the Employment Centre my back was in front of the Employment Centre I should say.
8.14
Q:
So back to you would have been facing towards best described as assume a car park, towards Maids Head area, towards Town Centre in other words.
R:
Yeah, yeah, towards the Town Centre like.
Q:
What about.... Tony, where abouts was he facing?
R:
He was probably standing beside me sort of like that, I was standing near.... to him.
Q:
To your right or to your left?
R:
To my left.
Q:
So he was nearest to Gaywood area, to the Church.
R:
Yeah to the Church...
Q:
Whatever you want to describe it as.
Q: I mean if you're got your back to level houses....
R:
Yeah you’re right, yeah, yeah...
Q:
So if he's on your left, then he's going to be towards The Tudor Rose, or St. Anne's Street.
Q:
How far along that street were you, I mean, do you know Ward, Gethen Solicitors...?
R:
On the corner.
Q:
On the corner, well they’ve got a car park haven't they, so, and then you come on to the shingle car park, so that if you were facing, that as you were saying, what would you have looking into, would you have been looking into the gravel park car park by the Tudor Rose, the car park of Ward Gethen or towards the building of Ward Gethen?
R:
I'd say that I was looking up from the building of Ward Gethen and I could see into Town.
3.31
Q:
So you were that far, you were right on the junction?
R:
Yeah.
Q:
Or see the High Street, basically, you went straight along and see the start of the High Street?
R:
Yeah I'm sure.
Q:
Right so you were right on the corner of Tuesday Market.
R:
Sure, sure I was. Because, I mean, they run, Tony, Tony run down, and he was probably stand…by the Tudor Rose is there… yeah? And the gravel car park was there….
Q:
Yes.
R:
Well he probably got to the Tudor Rose when they first started kicking him and they he got away and run out. 10.04
Q:
Which side of the road was he running, the Tudor Rose side or in the middle of the road?
R:
Middle of the road.
Q:
In the middle of the road?
R: Yeah.
Q: So you're saying that he was assaulted first of all.......
R:
In the middle of the road.
Q:
In the middle of the... outside the Tudor Rose?
R:
Yeah.
Q:
He got up, he ran across......
R:
Well yeah, yeah, he got sort a, he was sort of trying to put up some resistance, they kicked him, he got away, and I went across to the gravel car park to get out of the way of it, and they they went across the gravel car park, so I come back then started to walk, you know carry on walking now I see him getting down towards the latter end, you know latter end of the car park.....
Q:
Did he stumble or fall or anything like that?
R:
I weren’t. ....all I see em do was just kicking him and kicking him so they probably kicked him over.
10.48
Q:
How bad a kicking did he get, I mean you saw, in other words what you are saying you saw that two different kicking’s, one outside the Tudor Rose and the one near the Lattice House?
R:
(Mumbles) They kept kicking and kicking and kicking.
Q:
Well I know it's going to be hard for you, o.k., it’s not a very nice thing to have to go through.... how bad was kicking outside the Tudor Rose?
R:
Outside the Tudor Rose... they were just kicking and punching him, but he did put up some resistance.
11.16
Q:
Was he on the floor or was he standing up?
R:
He was struggling, you know, trying, to, kept struggling to be kept up.
Q:
Did you see him hit any of them?
R:
Like I say he was putting up a resistance with his arms trying to push them away.
Q:
But punches, or who was kicking, did you see any of that?
R:
Might have been…
11.34
Q:
What I'm trying to say is it likely that he would have injured his attackers?
R:
Yeah he might... yeah, he might of done, cos his arms and legs, you what I mean he was trying to put up a resistance, he could we have injured his attackers.
Q:
Do you remember... just digressing from that a little while.... you know when you first met Tony and you met in the Wild Fowler, did you?
R:
Yeah.
0:
And Tony weren't feeling too sharp we he?
R:
No
Q:
Is it right in saying he had had a big meal he said.
R:
He said he'd had something to eat, I think he said he might of had chips or something, and he said you shouldn't get into a bath with a full stomach cos it make you... make yer... he sort get, he reckon he kept getting sort of..........(mumbles).
12.22
Q:
Did he have anything else to eat throughout the evening?
R:
No, pretty sure....
Q: Did he say where he'd eaten?
R:
At home.
Q:
That was at home it?
R:
Urn.
Q:
And there's nothing else you can remember? And are you certain that one of those attackers were wearing kicker boots?
R:
Pretty sure, sort of 80 percent sure.
Q:
Can you just try and think about the hair of any of these attackers other than... anything you can think about the hair?
R:
Sort of... one of them had sort of fairly shortish hair at the side, sort of just neat casual hair really.
13.04
Q:
Just like 90 percent of the lads walking around town?
R:
Like, say that again.
Q:
Just like 90 percent of the lads you see walking around the town, these days, because these days generally the younger element the hair is smarter it was say five years ago, whatever.
R:
Yeah.
Q:
Nothing distinctive you can think about?
R:
No
Q:
And you can't think of anymore names at the top of the stairs?
R:
No.
Q:
What made you think about... I know you say you saw something, oh you thought oh I remember one was wearing kicker boots, but, is that the sort of thing that would stick out in your mind?
R:
What it was, when you told me to go back and think, I went back there and I was thinking, trying to run things through my mind, and then, I, I went to the door, I thought that, that's it I be ringing the bell to have a drink of water, waiting for the bloke, what's he called, you know the key man. Policeman, to come anyway, he brought that person in and take his boots off and put them by the door, and that of sort of suddenly hit me that I had seen them boots....
Q:
Similar boots...
R:
Similar boots to that.....
Q:
Have you owned kicker boots before?
R:
Have I owned kicker boots? I've got a pair of kicker boots, brown dark brown.
Q:
Those are similar to yours, except the colour of them, the ones you were thinking about the assailant or the attacker wore were light brown/tan and yours were dark brown, other than that they were identical, are they?
R:
Yeah, these were more, like I say, a climbing boot, sort of thing.
14.54
Q:
What thick sole, thick rubber sole?
R: Yeah. Yeah. Like sometimes you see em round town, like with camp boots on don’t you, with the socks over the trousers, you know what I mean?
Q:
Yeah know what you mean.
R:
Like that, sort of boots.
15.14
Q:
But generally, that is still just to the top of the ankle.
R:
Top of the ankle yeah.
Q:
Ok can you think of anything else?
Q:
Not at this stage, no.
Q. Anything else you want to say?
R:
I was just trying to remember.
Q:
If there is anything you do remember you'll get in contact with us.
R:
It’s like last night, I rang a bell and as soon as I rang.....
Q:
That's what you've got to do. Did you want to make a Witness Statement?
R:
No, not really.
Q:
I will again serve you with another one of these notices then you'll have a collection, O.k. There’s nothing you want to say? You don't want to make a written statement? R:
No.
Q
Served with you with a notice, that's it then
The time is 9.05, and I will terminate the interview.
NAME: GARY WILLIAM SEWELL
ADDRESS:
AGE / DATE OF BIRTH: 23 11011968
OCCUPATION: ENVIROMENTAL SERVICE TECHNICIAN
Who states: - This statement consisting of pages, each signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that if it is tendered in evidence I shall be liable to prosecution if I have wilfully stated in it anything which I know to be false or do not believe to be true.
DATED:
(SIGNED)
PERSON INTERVIEWED: GARY WILLIAM SEWELL
PLACE OF INTERVIEW: KING’S LYNN POLICE STATION
DATE OF INTERVIEW: 3RD MARCH 1991
TIME COMMENCED: 08.49
TIME CONCLUDED: 09.05
INTERVIEWING OFFICER: D.S. NEWTON
OTHER PERSON(S) PRESENT: D.C FROST
Q:
You don't not have to say anything unless you wish to do so but what you say may be given in evidence. Do you understand that?
R:
Yes
Q:
Are you happy being interviewed without your solicitor being present at this stage?
R.
Yes, anything to help out.
Q:
O.K., now I'll tell you, I did speak to your solicitor this morning and he said if you are happy to be interviewed he is, but if you want him here he is more than willing to turn up. You are happy to be interviewed without him being here?
R:
Yep.
Q:
Yes?
R:
Yes.
Q:
And there just the three of us in this room?
R:
Yes, that is correct.
Q:
O.k., right, I just want to clarify a couple of points, have you remembered anything more from our last interview?
R:
Yer, there's I think there's a...might been a few more people up on top of the stairs and I think there’s a bloke with Carl on the stairs or in the
Cellar Bar, and it’s possible that one of the people who were sort of kicking Tony....had, brown, er kick brown sort of kick boots on.
Q.
So brown kicker boots, they're sort of soft leather boots aren't they?
R:
Yer, I think....
Q: You're talking about a specific make of boot?
R:
Well I... I always call em kicker boots... that’s just what I think they’re called.
Q:
Describe the best you can what you think a kicker boot is.
R: Like a mountain boot, but like in a casual way, you know what I mean.... like a climbing boot.
Q;
Are they lace up boots or...?
R
Yer, lace up.
Q:
And what colour are we talking about?
R:
Sort of light brown I think.
Q: Tan?
R: Tan, yer.
2.28
Q:
How far up the leg do they go?
R:
About three....three, up to here, about top of the ankle.
Q;
Top of the ankle bone, yer.
R:
Yer.
Q:
And you feel that one of them was wearing, one of the attackers were wearing a pair of kicker boots?
R:
Yer, I feel that…
Q:
Do you remember err which one, was it the one doing the talking?
R:
Err, I don't know, all I can sort of see a sort of picture of him kicking, I picture a pair of then boots.
Q:
At what stage do you remember that they were kicker boots, I mean was it when you first saw these attackers or was it later on or what?
3.05
R:
No, when….when another person was brought into the cell, I sort of looked at him from the cell window and I see them boots that was sort of....
Q:
You're not saying they're those particular boots..,,
R:
No, I not saying...
Q:
They, were very...ident...virtually identical to those that you had seen?
R:
Yer, jogged my memory, know what I mean?
Q:
You're not saying that those particular boots though that you saw through your cell window?
3.27
R:
No I'm not saying they are the particular boots. But you know when you see something that jog the memory a bit like.
Q:
That's right, that's very true.
R:
Yer.
Q:
And you're thinking about the... you said you at one stage, I think it was in first interview, you feel that these lads that attacked Tony were wearing jeans?
R:
Yer.
Q:
Were they sort of tight fitting jeans, baggy jeans, bell bottoms, whatever the women call the them?
3.54
R:
I think they were just probably just casual fit.
Q:
Cause I mean a lot of lads around town, especially those into the House Music have baggy, really baggy jeans on, was it anything like that?
R:
No, definitely not House music type of people.
Q:
Just a normal fit jean you feel?
R:
Yeah, sort of casual wear.
Q:
Were they frayed at the ends or...?
R:
No, (mumbles)
Q:
Sorry?
4.18
R: No.
Q:
No they weren't or no you can't remember?
R:
Can't remember. No.
Q:
Did you notice did you notice a belt at all?
R:
No.
Q:
Were any of them wearing a jacket?
R:
(Sighs), I can't honestly remember if they was wearing a jacket, they just looked sort of casual if you know what I mean, I can remember if they were wearing a jacket or if it was a shirt or a slip on shirt, or jumper, they just looked causal.
Q:
Yeah. You see you're talking about these kicker boots, did they look new or.......
R: Just worn you know, just sort of they'd been worn a few times.
5.01
Q:
You didn't notice any earrings or anything like that?
R:
No, no, (mumbles).
Q:
Even the tops... I mean you're looking at three people wearing tops, do you remember if they were light tops, dark tops, patterned tops?
R:
I think one of them was a fairly darkish top, cos, when I see em, sort of, when Tony run, they run, and he stopped, and they was just kick him, and he was trying to put his foot up in defence and I think one of them was a dark top, but that's.....
Q:
So if one had a dark top, did the other two have light tops?
5.44
R:
I don't know honestly.... I don't know, it could have been a jumper like mine in the dark you wouldn't know what colour it was would you, you see.
Q:
No.
R:
And I say to you when, what I remember when, when I met sort of Tony, up the town, and then three, blokes came up to us, they sort of, one of them exchanged words with Tony and Tony exchanged words back to em and said, said no or something, and I just said leave em alone and Tony run, so it was if Tony knew they wanted to get him.
Q:
What, were anything already been said beforehand?
R:
Yeah, as if, as if, he'd, he'd, he'd, he had said something to them before as if, it was if Tony knew that they was to get him, cos he started to run, and then they run after him.
6.40
Q:
You formed the impression then that Tony knew them, or certainly knew one of them or more than one?
R:
Yeah, I would...... yeah probably.
Q:
What made you form that impression?
R:
Because, while, while I was thinking, it seems to me that when (mumbles) when they come up to us and said to me something about you had a good kicking, now it’s your tur turn, to Tony, and then Tony said something to them, I think he said 'no', I can't remember what he said, I think he said no though, and laughed, and they run after him, know what I mean? Now to me it seems as if that, that Tony either had done something to them and knew that there was three of them and they was going to get him, for him to run off, if you can understand what I mean?
Q:
Yeah, I see what you say. When they came over, o.k. you say, you said before you at the Employed Exchange, whatever they call it....
R:
Yeah, (mumbles).
Q:
How did you face them, did you face towards the Lattice House, did you face towards Cellar Bar, did you face towards St. Nicholas Chapel, how did you look at them?
7.53
R:
No I was on that corner, I was walking and they come over and I think I was just facing.... I... the Employment Centre was to the left of me, and I was probably facing the Employment Centre my back was in front of the Employment Centre I should say.
8.14
Q:
So back to you would have been facing towards best described as assume a car park, towards Maids Head area, towards Town Centre in other words.
R:
Yeah, yeah, towards the Town Centre like.
Q:
What about.... Tony, where abouts was he facing?
R:
He was probably standing beside me sort of like that, I was standing near.... to him.
Q:
To your right or to your left?
R:
To my left.
Q:
So he was nearest to Gaywood area, to the Church.
R:
Yeah to the Church...
Q:
Whatever you want to describe it as.
Q: I mean if you're got your back to level houses....
R:
Yeah you’re right, yeah, yeah...
Q:
So if he's on your left, then he's going to be towards The Tudor Rose, or St. Anne's Street.
Q:
How far along that street were you, I mean, do you know Ward, Gethen Solicitors...?
R:
On the corner.
Q:
On the corner, well they’ve got a car park haven't they, so, and then you come on to the shingle car park, so that if you were facing, that as you were saying, what would you have looking into, would you have been looking into the gravel park car park by the Tudor Rose, the car park of Ward Gethen or towards the building of Ward Gethen?
R:
I'd say that I was looking up from the building of Ward Gethen and I could see into Town.
3.31
Q:
So you were that far, you were right on the junction?
R:
Yeah.
Q:
Or see the High Street, basically, you went straight along and see the start of the High Street?
R:
Yeah I'm sure.
Q:
Right so you were right on the corner of Tuesday Market.
R:
Sure, sure I was. Because, I mean, they run, Tony, Tony run down, and he was probably stand…by the Tudor Rose is there… yeah? And the gravel car park was there….
Q:
Yes.
R:
Well he probably got to the Tudor Rose when they first started kicking him and they he got away and run out. 10.04
Q:
Which side of the road was he running, the Tudor Rose side or in the middle of the road?
R:
Middle of the road.
Q:
In the middle of the road?
R: Yeah.
Q: So you're saying that he was assaulted first of all.......
R:
In the middle of the road.
Q:
In the middle of the... outside the Tudor Rose?
R:
Yeah.
Q:
He got up, he ran across......
R:
Well yeah, yeah, he got sort a, he was sort of trying to put up some resistance, they kicked him, he got away, and I went across to the gravel car park to get out of the way of it, and they they went across the gravel car park, so I come back then started to walk, you know carry on walking now I see him getting down towards the latter end, you know latter end of the car park.....
Q:
Did he stumble or fall or anything like that?
R:
I weren’t. ....all I see em do was just kicking him and kicking him so they probably kicked him over.
10.48
Q:
How bad a kicking did he get, I mean you saw, in other words what you are saying you saw that two different kicking’s, one outside the Tudor Rose and the one near the Lattice House?
R:
(Mumbles) They kept kicking and kicking and kicking.
Q:
Well I know it's going to be hard for you, o.k., it’s not a very nice thing to have to go through.... how bad was kicking outside the Tudor Rose?
R:
Outside the Tudor Rose... they were just kicking and punching him, but he did put up some resistance.
11.16
Q:
Was he on the floor or was he standing up?
R:
He was struggling, you know, trying, to, kept struggling to be kept up.
Q:
Did you see him hit any of them?
R:
Like I say he was putting up a resistance with his arms trying to push them away.
Q:
But punches, or who was kicking, did you see any of that?
R:
Might have been…
11.34
Q:
What I'm trying to say is it likely that he would have injured his attackers?
R:
Yeah he might... yeah, he might of done, cos his arms and legs, you what I mean he was trying to put up a resistance, he could we have injured his attackers.
Q:
Do you remember... just digressing from that a little while.... you know when you first met Tony and you met in the Wild Fowler, did you?
R:
Yeah.
0:
And Tony weren't feeling too sharp we he?
R:
No
Q:
Is it right in saying he had had a big meal he said.
R:
He said he'd had something to eat, I think he said he might of had chips or something, and he said you shouldn't get into a bath with a full stomach cos it make you... make yer... he sort get, he reckon he kept getting sort of..........(mumbles).
12.22
Q:
Did he have anything else to eat throughout the evening?
R:
No, pretty sure....
Q: Did he say where he'd eaten?
R:
At home.
Q:
That was at home it?
R:
Urn.
Q:
And there's nothing else you can remember? And are you certain that one of those attackers were wearing kicker boots?
R:
Pretty sure, sort of 80 percent sure.
Q:
Can you just try and think about the hair of any of these attackers other than... anything you can think about the hair?
R:
Sort of... one of them had sort of fairly shortish hair at the side, sort of just neat casual hair really.
13.04
Q:
Just like 90 percent of the lads walking around town?
R:
Like, say that again.
Q:
Just like 90 percent of the lads you see walking around the town, these days, because these days generally the younger element the hair is smarter it was say five years ago, whatever.
R:
Yeah.
Q:
Nothing distinctive you can think about?
R:
No
Q:
And you can't think of anymore names at the top of the stairs?
R:
No.
Q:
What made you think about... I know you say you saw something, oh you thought oh I remember one was wearing kicker boots, but, is that the sort of thing that would stick out in your mind?
R:
What it was, when you told me to go back and think, I went back there and I was thinking, trying to run things through my mind, and then, I, I went to the door, I thought that, that's it I be ringing the bell to have a drink of water, waiting for the bloke, what's he called, you know the key man. Policeman, to come anyway, he brought that person in and take his boots off and put them by the door, and that of sort of suddenly hit me that I had seen them boots....
Q:
Similar boots...
R:
Similar boots to that.....
Q:
Have you owned kicker boots before?
R:
Have I owned kicker boots? I've got a pair of kicker boots, brown dark brown.
Q:
Those are similar to yours, except the colour of them, the ones you were thinking about the assailant or the attacker wore were light brown/tan and yours were dark brown, other than that they were identical, are they?
R:
Yeah, these were more, like I say, a climbing boot, sort of thing.
14.54
Q:
What thick sole, thick rubber sole?
R: Yeah. Yeah. Like sometimes you see em round town, like with camp boots on don’t you, with the socks over the trousers, you know what I mean?
Q:
Yeah know what you mean.
R:
Like that, sort of boots.
15.14
Q:
But generally, that is still just to the top of the ankle.
R:
Top of the ankle yeah.
Q:
Ok can you think of anything else?
Q:
Not at this stage, no.
Q. Anything else you want to say?
R:
I was just trying to remember.
Q:
If there is anything you do remember you'll get in contact with us.
R:
It’s like last night, I rang a bell and as soon as I rang.....
Q:
That's what you've got to do. Did you want to make a Witness Statement?
R:
No, not really.
Q:
I will again serve you with another one of these notices then you'll have a collection, O.k. There’s nothing you want to say? You don't want to make a written statement? R:
No.
Q
Served with you with a notice, that's it then
The time is 9.05, and I will terminate the interview.
Sunday 9 March 2008
Clifford Ellis 2nd Statement
This is a second statement made by Clifford Ellis to Karl's solicitor. He made it after hearing we had all been charged with the Murder. To come forward and contradict what was being published in the Press was a very brave thing to do. Not something you would do lightly. Did it make any differance at the time? Don't be silly even with this evidence the prosecution continued and Karl and I remained in Prison.
STATEMENT OF WITNESS CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACT 1967, S9, MCA 1980, S102
MC Rules 1981 r70
Statement of: CLIFFORD MICHAEL ELLIS.
Address:
Occupation: Ground Worker
Age: 22
This statement (consisting of 5 pages signed by me) is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that, if it is tendered in evidence, I shall be liable to prosecution if I have wilfully stated in it anything which I know to be false or do not believe to be true.
Dated...... Signed..... Witnessed by
I make this statement additional to the statement which I made to the Police on the 3rd March 1991. Subsequent to that statement I attended an Identification Parade. I could not effectively take part in the first Parade as I had sat in a room with persons who were on that Parade. I did not know that this was wrong and I only realised it was when one of those men who was on the Parade stated so and then the Parade had to stop. However I recognised Carl Sxxxxxxxn on that Parade who I know and had I been asked to go on I would have not picked him out but indeed would have been able to categorically state that he was not involved. I then went to two other Identification Parades for Moore and Michael Teal and again I did not pick either of them out. I would like to add to that first statement the following. When I went into the Club I stood about mid-way along at the bar. Then I moved to the left and stood talking to Sue Fox in the position that I have indicated on the plan. At the end of the evening I just had a dance with Sue. I was very interested in her. I just saw someone in the crowd being escorted out. I had not seen the video smashed. The Club was very noisy. Indeed I had not seen any trouble at all. I know who Carl Somerton is but I cannot remember if I saw him in the Club, it was very crowded. I know Mick Teal, the bouncer, because I have played five-a-side football against him. I did not know his second name until the Police told me it, I just knew him as Mick. I know Carl through his younger brother Wayne and I have spoken to Wayne on lots of occasions. I have not actually ever spoken to Carl Sxxxxxxn but I know him by sight and name. I cannot say for definite if Mick Teal was working that night in the Club, there are usually two bouncers on. I have never met or seen before the Incident which I will come to a man called Gorman. Indeed the only reason I know that the deceased is named Gorman is because the Police told me. Through the crowd I had seen this man being escorted out when I was dancing with Sue. I had noticed him previously standing by the video which I understand got broken. I remember that he was wearing a rugby shirt which had white squares in it. I cannot be too sure about the other colours, but there was possibly some orange or light brown in the pattern. After this man had gone out I continued dancing with Sue and I did not hear any shouting coming from outside, but it was still very loud. When we left as I was going up the stairs I just remember that this man with the Rugby shirt on was leaning against the wall. I do not recall any conversation or aggro coming from him. Outside I think we walked straight off, but I was fairly pissed by now. I did not see any incident outside. I saw the Police in interview the following night. By then it was all over the news as to the name of the man who had died. That is why I have said Gorman was being chased. I assume it was him being chased, but I cannot be sure that the man who I saw being chased was the same man that I had seen on the stairs. He ran by me in a split second. I have told the Police that those chasing him I would be able to recognise. Indeed if they had been persons that I knew I would have been immediately able to tell the Police who they were, I got that good of view. For that reason I do not think that any of them was Micky Teal. I do not think that any of them was Carl Somerton. I did get a look at their faces, particularly' from the side. If one of them had been Carl Sxxxxxxn I think I would have recognised him. I do not know who they were. The man Gorman did not run across the gravel car park, he went round the back of the second Ward Gethin Office on the corner by the Tuesday Market Place and then round into Chapel Street towards the Council Offices and the men chasing him were following. There were three of them. I got a better look at the third man because he was coming up behind the first two. As to his hair colour it is about like mine, which would make it light brown, but I am not totally sure, it could have been black. I can remember that on the right hand side of the street on the Tudor Rose side I had noticed as we walked along another man walking parallel to us. I do not think this could have been one of the men involved because I am quite sure that the third of the men had already run passed me when my attention was drawn to this other person. This third one could have been wearing a rugby shirt. This man was not Carl Sxxxxxxn. None of them in fact stick in my mind as people I noticed at the Club and indeed none of the three was familiar to me. As I have already stated in my earlier statement my friends then went across to the body but I went on across the street into Austin Street. My impression is that this third man involved in the attack was bordering on being fat.
Signed: CLIFFORD MICHAEL ELLIS
STATEMENT OF WITNESS CRIMINAL JUSTICE ACT 1967, S9, MCA 1980, S102
MC Rules 1981 r70
Statement of: CLIFFORD MICHAEL ELLIS.
Address:
Occupation: Ground Worker
Age: 22
This statement (consisting of 5 pages signed by me) is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that, if it is tendered in evidence, I shall be liable to prosecution if I have wilfully stated in it anything which I know to be false or do not believe to be true.
Dated...... Signed..... Witnessed by
I make this statement additional to the statement which I made to the Police on the 3rd March 1991. Subsequent to that statement I attended an Identification Parade. I could not effectively take part in the first Parade as I had sat in a room with persons who were on that Parade. I did not know that this was wrong and I only realised it was when one of those men who was on the Parade stated so and then the Parade had to stop. However I recognised Carl Sxxxxxxxn on that Parade who I know and had I been asked to go on I would have not picked him out but indeed would have been able to categorically state that he was not involved. I then went to two other Identification Parades for Moore and Michael Teal and again I did not pick either of them out. I would like to add to that first statement the following. When I went into the Club I stood about mid-way along at the bar. Then I moved to the left and stood talking to Sue Fox in the position that I have indicated on the plan. At the end of the evening I just had a dance with Sue. I was very interested in her. I just saw someone in the crowd being escorted out. I had not seen the video smashed. The Club was very noisy. Indeed I had not seen any trouble at all. I know who Carl Somerton is but I cannot remember if I saw him in the Club, it was very crowded. I know Mick Teal, the bouncer, because I have played five-a-side football against him. I did not know his second name until the Police told me it, I just knew him as Mick. I know Carl through his younger brother Wayne and I have spoken to Wayne on lots of occasions. I have not actually ever spoken to Carl Sxxxxxxn but I know him by sight and name. I cannot say for definite if Mick Teal was working that night in the Club, there are usually two bouncers on. I have never met or seen before the Incident which I will come to a man called Gorman. Indeed the only reason I know that the deceased is named Gorman is because the Police told me. Through the crowd I had seen this man being escorted out when I was dancing with Sue. I had noticed him previously standing by the video which I understand got broken. I remember that he was wearing a rugby shirt which had white squares in it. I cannot be too sure about the other colours, but there was possibly some orange or light brown in the pattern. After this man had gone out I continued dancing with Sue and I did not hear any shouting coming from outside, but it was still very loud. When we left as I was going up the stairs I just remember that this man with the Rugby shirt on was leaning against the wall. I do not recall any conversation or aggro coming from him. Outside I think we walked straight off, but I was fairly pissed by now. I did not see any incident outside. I saw the Police in interview the following night. By then it was all over the news as to the name of the man who had died. That is why I have said Gorman was being chased. I assume it was him being chased, but I cannot be sure that the man who I saw being chased was the same man that I had seen on the stairs. He ran by me in a split second. I have told the Police that those chasing him I would be able to recognise. Indeed if they had been persons that I knew I would have been immediately able to tell the Police who they were, I got that good of view. For that reason I do not think that any of them was Micky Teal. I do not think that any of them was Carl Somerton. I did get a look at their faces, particularly' from the side. If one of them had been Carl Sxxxxxxn I think I would have recognised him. I do not know who they were. The man Gorman did not run across the gravel car park, he went round the back of the second Ward Gethin Office on the corner by the Tuesday Market Place and then round into Chapel Street towards the Council Offices and the men chasing him were following. There were three of them. I got a better look at the third man because he was coming up behind the first two. As to his hair colour it is about like mine, which would make it light brown, but I am not totally sure, it could have been black. I can remember that on the right hand side of the street on the Tudor Rose side I had noticed as we walked along another man walking parallel to us. I do not think this could have been one of the men involved because I am quite sure that the third of the men had already run passed me when my attention was drawn to this other person. This third one could have been wearing a rugby shirt. This man was not Carl Sxxxxxxn. None of them in fact stick in my mind as people I noticed at the Club and indeed none of the three was familiar to me. As I have already stated in my earlier statement my friends then went across to the body but I went on across the street into Austin Street. My impression is that this third man involved in the attack was bordering on being fat.
Signed: CLIFFORD MICHAEL ELLIS
Compare Identification
The King’s Lynn Police took in the region of a 170 statements in connection with the murder of Anthony Gorman, but it all boiled down to the evidence of 9 people. Here are 7 of the 9 descriptions for you to compare. I’ve put in the amount of drink they admitted consuming as I think it is relevant to the reliability of the evidence they gave. The 1st 5 are from the group that witnessed Gorman being chased. The last 2 walked by the assault as it was happening and at one stage were a mere 20ft away. I haven’t put Jason Colman’s in as it was retracted by him after he complained about the way it was gathered, (you can read both his statements posted earlier in the blog). The 9th person was Gary Sewell I have 2 more of his interviews to post and the statement he made prior to him being released from custody. So compare these descriptions against each other and decide whether they match the descriptions of Karl, Rod and I.
Karl, aged 25, probably about 5’9” straight light brown hair wearing a light blue T-shirt and jeans.
Rod aged 35, about 6’ straight blonde hair wearing white shirt and black trousers.
Myself aged 29, 6’2” short blonde hair wearing a blood soaked white shirt and black trousers.
1. TERRY MYERHOFFER: 9 Pints of lager
1) Stocky build, 5'8" tall, short fair hair, wearing a white shirt and black trousers. I believe that it was the bouncer who thrown GORMAN out of the Cellar Bar earlier.
2) Medium build, 5'10" tall, dark brown curly hair that appeared to be permed, wearing a light casual shirt and probably trousers.
2. CLIFFORD ELLIS: 10 Pints of lager 1 bottle of Pils lager
1. White, male, 5'8" tall, black curly hair which was quite short, mid twenties, medium build. I can't remember what he wore.
2. White, male, about 5'10" tall, mid twenties, but I can't remember anything else about him.
At this time a third man ran past us, chasing after the other three. I would describe him as being a white male, 6' tall, of heavy build bordering on fat, middle 20's, wearing a loose top which flapped about as he ran and I believe jeans, mousey blonde hair, which was not long.
3. MARK BRAMHAM: 10 pints lager tops
I looked round and saw one man I would describe as bald or really short hair, being chased by two other men. I can only describe as male, white, about my age, dressed in light tops but I cannot recall their descriptions any further, as they were running very fast
4. CAROLINE SCOTT: 5 or 6 Whisky & orange
I turned round and saw the same man, who had been held against the post wearing the quartered Rugby shirt, run past. We were standing on the pavement at the time whilst he was running in the road. Immediately behind him and very close to him, two men chasing after him. Both men were 6'0" tall or taller, well built and both had light hair. The hair of one of them was collar length and brush straight back to clear the ears, whilst the other one was just short. They were both wearing either white or very light long sleeved shirts and black or very dark trousers
5. COLIN LORD: 7-8 Pints of lager
DIDN’T MENTION SEEING THE CHASE
6. GARY DAW: 4 or 5 Pints of lager & Lime
I think the first two men both had dark hair, and were tall and of medium to heavy build. The third man, who had been behind the other two at first, had either light or dark hair, I can't remember, and I think he was possibly shorter than the other two. I don't think any of the men would have had white shirts on or anything particularly light, because they would have stood out. I can't remember having seen any of the three men before that evening either in the Cellar Bar, or outside the Cellar Bar.
7. SHELLEY MITCHELSON: Only mentions having 3 drinks
one of the 3 men, who was wearing a blue & white hooped rugby shirt (who I will describe later)……. Going back to the attacker who was wearing the blue & white hooped Rugby shirt. The hoops / bands were about 2" wide & ran across the body. The blue was a pale blue colour. I can clearly remember that the hoops on his shirt were much narrower, in width then the hoops on the fallen man's shirt. I am fairly sure that the hoops were all over the body of the shirt & ran alternatively white & blue. The man himself was 6’-6’1” tall, stocky build & he had short dark hair. He was also wearing jeans & he was aged early 20's. I am very sure that I saw this man earlier in the evening in the Cellar Bar, standing only a few feet away from me at the bar. Unfortunately I am unable to give much of a description of the other 2 attackers; however, I would say that they were both aged 19-20 years, smaller in height & build compared to the attacker in the blue a white hooped shirt. I cannot separate, in my mind, between the second kicking man & the man who was the puncher, other than one of these 2 may have, I can put it no stronger than that, be the man with the shaven & permed hairstyle involved in the stair incident.
The man Shelley described with the permed hair was infact arrested but quite rightly eliminated. he was the man that helped the girl up after having being knocked down the stairs by Gorman outside the club. I should add he stated he was with Karl all the time after they left the club and was able to give a full account of their actions. So a reasonable person might think if one wasn't charged then the other wouln't be either. WRONG. I have never been able to fathom the Police logic because similarly, Rod who stated he was with me all the time after leaving the club, was released from prison after 2 weeks and then had his charges dropped altogether. So again if they believed he took no part in it but was with me all the while why didn't they believe him when he stated I took no part in it. It just proved the Police really had no idea what they were doing. I often wondered who was leading this inquiry, I had my suspicion it was the bumbling police detective Lieutenant Frank Drebin from Naked Gun, but thinking about it he would probably have done a better job.
Karl, aged 25, probably about 5’9” straight light brown hair wearing a light blue T-shirt and jeans.
Rod aged 35, about 6’ straight blonde hair wearing white shirt and black trousers.
Myself aged 29, 6’2” short blonde hair wearing a blood soaked white shirt and black trousers.
1. TERRY MYERHOFFER: 9 Pints of lager
1) Stocky build, 5'8" tall, short fair hair, wearing a white shirt and black trousers. I believe that it was the bouncer who thrown GORMAN out of the Cellar Bar earlier.
2) Medium build, 5'10" tall, dark brown curly hair that appeared to be permed, wearing a light casual shirt and probably trousers.
2. CLIFFORD ELLIS: 10 Pints of lager 1 bottle of Pils lager
1. White, male, 5'8" tall, black curly hair which was quite short, mid twenties, medium build. I can't remember what he wore.
2. White, male, about 5'10" tall, mid twenties, but I can't remember anything else about him.
At this time a third man ran past us, chasing after the other three. I would describe him as being a white male, 6' tall, of heavy build bordering on fat, middle 20's, wearing a loose top which flapped about as he ran and I believe jeans, mousey blonde hair, which was not long.
3. MARK BRAMHAM: 10 pints lager tops
I looked round and saw one man I would describe as bald or really short hair, being chased by two other men. I can only describe as male, white, about my age, dressed in light tops but I cannot recall their descriptions any further, as they were running very fast
4. CAROLINE SCOTT: 5 or 6 Whisky & orange
I turned round and saw the same man, who had been held against the post wearing the quartered Rugby shirt, run past. We were standing on the pavement at the time whilst he was running in the road. Immediately behind him and very close to him, two men chasing after him. Both men were 6'0" tall or taller, well built and both had light hair. The hair of one of them was collar length and brush straight back to clear the ears, whilst the other one was just short. They were both wearing either white or very light long sleeved shirts and black or very dark trousers
5. COLIN LORD: 7-8 Pints of lager
DIDN’T MENTION SEEING THE CHASE
6. GARY DAW: 4 or 5 Pints of lager & Lime
I think the first two men both had dark hair, and were tall and of medium to heavy build. The third man, who had been behind the other two at first, had either light or dark hair, I can't remember, and I think he was possibly shorter than the other two. I don't think any of the men would have had white shirts on or anything particularly light, because they would have stood out. I can't remember having seen any of the three men before that evening either in the Cellar Bar, or outside the Cellar Bar.
7. SHELLEY MITCHELSON: Only mentions having 3 drinks
one of the 3 men, who was wearing a blue & white hooped rugby shirt (who I will describe later)……. Going back to the attacker who was wearing the blue & white hooped Rugby shirt. The hoops / bands were about 2" wide & ran across the body. The blue was a pale blue colour. I can clearly remember that the hoops on his shirt were much narrower, in width then the hoops on the fallen man's shirt. I am fairly sure that the hoops were all over the body of the shirt & ran alternatively white & blue. The man himself was 6’-6’1” tall, stocky build & he had short dark hair. He was also wearing jeans & he was aged early 20's. I am very sure that I saw this man earlier in the evening in the Cellar Bar, standing only a few feet away from me at the bar. Unfortunately I am unable to give much of a description of the other 2 attackers; however, I would say that they were both aged 19-20 years, smaller in height & build compared to the attacker in the blue a white hooped shirt. I cannot separate, in my mind, between the second kicking man & the man who was the puncher, other than one of these 2 may have, I can put it no stronger than that, be the man with the shaven & permed hairstyle involved in the stair incident.
The man Shelley described with the permed hair was infact arrested but quite rightly eliminated. he was the man that helped the girl up after having being knocked down the stairs by Gorman outside the club. I should add he stated he was with Karl all the time after they left the club and was able to give a full account of their actions. So a reasonable person might think if one wasn't charged then the other wouln't be either. WRONG. I have never been able to fathom the Police logic because similarly, Rod who stated he was with me all the time after leaving the club, was released from prison after 2 weeks and then had his charges dropped altogether. So again if they believed he took no part in it but was with me all the while why didn't they believe him when he stated I took no part in it. It just proved the Police really had no idea what they were doing. I often wondered who was leading this inquiry, I had my suspicion it was the bumbling police detective Lieutenant Frank Drebin from Naked Gun, but thinking about it he would probably have done a better job.
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